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2009-05-27_Minutes--Procès-verbal May 27, 2009 32-2009 Minutes of the Portion of the Committee of the Whole Meeting Open to the Public May 27, 2009, 4:00 p.m. Council Chamber City Hall. Present: Mayor Court, Deputy Mayor Chase and Councillors Court, Farren, Higgins, Killen, McGuire, Mott, Snook, Sullivan, and Titus - and - T. Totten, City Manager; P. Woods, Deputy City Manager; A. Beckett, Deputy City Manager of Programs and Priorities; J. Nugent, City Solicitor; C. Graham, Comptroller; J. Taylor, Assistant Common Clerk and K. Tibbits, Administrative Assistant. 1. Meeting Called To Order The Mayor called the Committee of The Whole meeting to order. 1.1 Morneau Sobeco Presentation: Financial Advisory Services to Common Council Re: Employee Pension Plan Referring to a submitted presentation, Mel Bartlett of Morneau Sobeco stated that the goal of the meeting was to ensure a common understanding of the basic facts facing the plan today and to determine the tentative direction that Council would like to undertake, as well as to establish the format of meetings on a go forward basis. He stated that Council holds the ultimate responsibility and ownership for any changes to the Pension Plan, but noted that it would be necessary to have input from the stakeholders during this process. He stated that this was in contrast to the view held by Council that the pension has never been a negotiated item, nor is it intended to become a negotiated item. Jeff Penner of Morneau Sobeco addressed members of Council and stated that he wanted to ensure an understanding of Morneau Sobeco’s role, which he indicated is to act as facilitators in the process and to offer suggestions and guidance; however, he noted that ultimately the final outcome is the responsibility of Council. Mr. Penner and Mr. Bartlett stated that in order to make sustainable improvements to the pension plan, a combination of changes would need to be considered, which include: contributions made to the plan; benefits paid to plan members and investment returns. (Councillor McGuire entered the meeting.) (Councillor Sullivan entered the meeting.) On motion of Councillor McGuire Seconded by Councillor Snook RESOLVED that Council limit its discussions to the material being presented by Morneau Sobeco. May 27, 2009 33-2009 Councillors Sullivan and Titus stated that if questions are not addressed, it gives the perception of non-transparency. Question being taken, the motion was carried with Councillors Sullivan and Titus voting nay. Mr. Penner and Mr. Bartlett informed Council that in their opinion, investment returns, while possibly showing some short-term improvement, are unlikely to bring the plan back to a full-funding position and that it is important for Council to accept and recognize this fact. In addition, they stated that it would be not realistic to think that the funding gap could be closed by simply increasing employer contributions, noting that a real deficit solution includes a combination of all three components of the plan. Council noted that there is a sensitive timeline involved with any changes to the plan, stating that the plan is subject to a valuation at the end of this year, with a report to be submitted by September 30, 2010 at the latest. Mr. Penner and Mr. Bartlett stated that Council will be required to make decisions as a body, based on financial determinations that need to be undertaken without outside influence or discussion. They noted that once the final decision with respect to the pension plan is made and the implementation level has been reached, it would be beneficial to engage the stakeholders to provide their views on possible ways to reach this outcome. On motion of Councillor Snook Seconded by Councillor McGuire RESOLVED that decisions will be reached with Council’s established format, specifically, that a vote is taken and that majority rule. Question being taken, the motion is carried. On motion of Councillor McGuire Seconded by Councillor Court RESOLVED that the format of the meetings with Morneau Sobeco will be a formally structured meeting, in an open session of Committee of the Whole, with informal discussion. Question being taken, the motion is carried. Mr. Penner and Mr. Bartlett referred to the presentation provided by the Union groups at the meeting of April 27, 2009; they noted that while the input given at this meeting was appreciated, and helpful recommendations were made, none of the proposals offered any real solutions to the deficit problem, but rather only delayed recognition of the problem. They noted that the proposals from the City’s unions reduced the cash flow going into the plan, but did not change the cash flow going out, which does not meet the criteria outlined in the “Real Deficit Solutions” as previously established. A point of order was called by Councillor Sullivan regarding a question being posed by Councillor Court, stating that it did not relate to the process of dealing with the pension deficit. Mayor Court stated that it would be appropriate for Morneau Sobeco to answer May 27, 2009 34-2009 Councillor Court’s question as it related to money going into, and subsequently being paid out of the pension plan. Mr. Penner and Mr. Bartlett indicated that their goal is to establish policies, procedures and guidelines to deal with the fact that investments will move up and down unpredictably and also to provide both the present and future Council with the tools to deal with these circumstances. They noted the only way to do this is by looking at long- term solutions and addressing the root of the problem. They stated that this would include updating benefit and funding policies that would effectively deal with economic uncertainty. On motion of Councillor Killen Seconded by Councillor McGuire RESOLVED that Council formally adopt the goal of establishing encompassing policies that, ideally, all stakeholders can endorse, or at least live with. Question being taken, the motion was carried. On motion of Councillor Titus Seconded by Councillor McGuire RESOLVED that the Common Clerk consult with Morneau Sobeco on their availability and schedule the next meeting with Common Council. Question being taken, the motion was carried. 2. Adjournment The Mayor declared the meeting adjourned at 6:15 p.m. Common Clerk